why did caylee die is a big piece of it. so when you look at it like that, i think jose baez in his opening statements said reasonable doubt lives in this case. and i think that's come to pass. >> and yet, larry, sonny makes a strong case here. but when you heard the jury had reached a verdict so quickly, shy of 11 hours of deliberations, did your gut say bad news for the defense? >> yes. at first i thought that jury had used its anger and hostility toward casey and made an emotional decision. i mean, it was a very short deliberation considering the complexity of the case that went on for six weeks. but i think the jury clearly -- i mean, they were looking at the state's case. and they felt they didn't make the case. and even though there was science used by the state, i think the jurors decided that that science was not reliable. certainly the defense pulled out their experts and they neutralized essentially neutralized every piece of evidence. and there's real questions now about whether that evidence ever should have been